Regular Called Meeting

possibly Julie Harris

0:00 Thursday, 07/19/2026 at 06:30 at Irvington Baptist Church. Roll call by name.

Speaker 3

0:08 Nunnally Hill. Mary Windsor Cline here. Frances Westbrook here. Mary Carrie Bradley here.

Speaker 4

0:14 Sam Van Saun here. Phil Robinson here.

possibly Julie Harris

0:17 Julie Harris here. Is there a motion to approve the agenda? So moved. Second?

Speaker 4

0:25 Second.

possibly Julie Harris

0:27 Was that saying was that you? Second. Yeah. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Is there a motion to approve the minutes from the Town Council 06/11/2026 regular called meeting?

Speaker 6

0:42 So move. Second.

possibly Julie Harris

0:45 All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Is there a motion to approve the minutes from the 06/18/2026 Town Council Special Called Meeting? So moved. Second. Second. All those in favor. Aye.

Speaker 6

1:06 Opposed. Just staying because I wasn't there.

possibly Julie Harris

1:15 Financial report unless otherwise stated the financial report is accepted. Public comment. The floor is now open for the public to speak on any topic. We do not have a microphone set up tonight. So if you do wish to speak, please speak loudly. But the floor is now open.

1:41 Okay. Oh, nope. We have one. We have two. Oh, I'm sorry. We have one. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. Come come to the front. I'm sorry. I didn't see your hand.

Speaker 7

1:52 I'm gonna pass these around.

1:57 My name is Steve McCarthy.

possibly Julie Harris

1:59 And I'm sorry. Miss Bradley, would you please grab? Yes. I got it. Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 4

2:05 We're starting your timer just so you're aware, mister Mathiason. How long do I have? Three minutes.

Speaker 7

2:11 I know I'm gonna talk fast. So last year, I shared the committee that four times ran the American Junior Golf Association tournament in Indian Creek. You guys supported us with a thousand dollar contribution, and I'm asking that you do it again. The AJGA is where the best golfers and high school golfers in the country compete. The AJGA puts on about 150 tournaments a year around the country. And it's rare you get an opportunity in a rural area like this to have them come.

2:59 And we we kind of stumbled through it our first time, but they picked our tournament the number one all star tournament in the whole country. Wow. And so it was a big success. We had 96 players come representing 20 different states. There were two fifty seven visitors. Four other countries were represented. We generated $400,000 in revenues in less than a week during a tournament and we ended up with $25,000 that we donated to the boys and girls club, the golf team in Lancaster, Northumberland, Christchurch in Middlesex and they don't have two nickels drilled together.

3:49 So it was a big windfall for them. But Brian Bird will tell you he had the busiest week ever. Holly was busy all week long. The Compass was busy all week long and helped support us. But it was just a great event in a rural area like this. And it turned out to be a big success. And So I'm hopeful that you guys will consider sponsoring this again. It puts a spotlight on our community. We'll have 78 players play on Sunday that don't have the resume to get in the tournament automatically.

4:37 And they'll come from Virginia and North Carolina, Maryland. And then the junior end is a fundraising day where usually it's three adults and one AKGA player. What we wanted to do is get the local high school kids involved. So we had two adults and 11 high school players from those four high schools played with side by side with an HAGA player and it was a home run. We're doing that again this year and I'm just about out of time. So thank you in advance for your support.

5:21 If you have any questions, I'm happy to answer them. I

Speaker 4

5:25 have a quick question. I just want to confirm is the A JGAA501C3? It is. Okay. Thank you. So 100% of

Speaker 7

5:35 the money goes to their foundation. And then it's not a profit center for any increase. All they do is offset the basic expenses. Everything left over, we split in two. I just need They to use their 25,000 to help families that have a good golfer that don't have the resources to travel. They provide for the less privileged kids.

Speaker 6

6:07 It's a really great program. Thank you, I just want to add to that that the IVBA has supported them last year and is supporting again this year in several different ways. But one thing I found really impressive and it's on the back of the second handout that you got Mhmm. Was this little sign that has all the donors on it. And I think anytime that we you know, that the town of Irvington can be visually seen as what we're doing in the community, that's really helpful for us.

Speaker 7

6:42 Yeah. Northumberland is contributing. Lancaster is contributing. Hopefully you guys do, but, you know, on the hall sponsors, we don't have a sign that will nail all 18 holes because nobody walks all 18. So in lieu of that, have the recognition board right in front of the clubhouse. Everybody has to walk by that every day and where they register. So there's great visibility.

Speaker 4

7:13 Thank you. Thanks, Steve. Thank you, Mr.

possibly Julie Harris

7:20 Dyson, I'd like to ask, because this is being presented tonight, in lieu of the new rules of July 1, we cannot vote on it tonight. I

Speaker 9

7:31 think that if you want, well, what I was trying to think about what you could do to make sure that they, if you wanted to indicate that they could count on Irvington is to sort of, I wonder if you could resolve to intend to give and then we could actually have the resolution where you ratify it in August.

Speaker 2

7:52 You could pledge. Because

possibly Julie Harris

7:53 this is before the

Speaker 9

7:55 August meeting. Right. Yeah. I don't know. What do you what do you think, Kelly?

possibly Julie Harris

8:02 Miss Kipp, are you there?

Speaker 5

8:04 Yes. I'm

Speaker 8

8:07 just looking at your agenda to see if there's anything I think it could possibly, like, be part Yeah. I mean, the new rule that just came in, basically, is that you you can't add things to your agenda sort of to you know, during the meeting. And Charles is right. I mean, Would

Speaker 9

8:32 it fit somehow in the place where they're allowed to make motions and recommendations for a future meeting? And I was wondering if there they could just resolve their intent to like a pledge and but not make the final decision and then just ratify it in August. Would that work?

Speaker 8

8:49 Yeah, I think they could do. I think they could do that. Okay. You know, just yeah.

possibly Julie Harris

8:54 Mean. Yeah, that was my question. So

Speaker 2

8:57 if we move to pledge, we could do that. We're going to have a motion to pledge it. No,

Speaker 4

9:04 we're going to recommend that in August we have a resolution to fund that. Why does that donations. Why does it have to

Speaker 5

9:13 be before anyway? Why can't it I'm sure they'll take your money after the fact. Right. Yeah.

Speaker 9

9:19 And, well, that was just to get your logo on the sign. We wanna be on the sign. Yeah. Yeah. So I think that

Speaker 4

9:28 does that make sense? I mean, so we're our hands are tied. Well,

Speaker 7

9:32 so we Tied by By state law. By state law.

possibly Julie Harris

9:37 Oh. It's state law. So we cannot make a resolution not It's a new law as of July 1. As of yes. Okay. Thank you, general assembly for that. If it's approved and the check gets there late, I'll make sure

Speaker 3

9:51 that you guys are on the right condition. Would it be good if we sent you a letter to the effect of what we're doing tonight? That would that would help. And that would give you something to That way I'll have something to give to self up with, yes. Okay. Can we do that? Alright.

possibly Julie Harris

10:08 So, do we need We'll do

Speaker 4

10:12 that when we get to this section in the agenda. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Sounds good. Do

Speaker 2

10:18 that? We will. Yeah. Under under

possibly Julie Harris

10:22 the recommendations motions or recommendations by counsel.

10:30 Alright. Anyone else under public comment?

10:38 Next is a report from the mayor. And as mayor, I would just like to thank all residents, volunteers, and any member of the community for their flexibility in dealing with extreme heat and weather conditions during the July 4 festivities. During the United States Air Force Heritage of America concert, we got thirty minutes of a two hour program before the rain took over, but everyone enjoyed what they heard. Rappahannock River Yacht Club hosted a fun filled patriotic boat parade on July 3 along with sponsoring the band on the barge entertaining everyone.

11:23 Our July 4 farmers market ended early due to extreme heat, but shoppers bought early and some vendors sold out. The July 4 hometown parade was canceled also due to the heat, but thank you to coordinator Lou Ann Davis and council member Mary Cline for all their planning and hard work. And thank you to the Kilmarnock and Whitestone fire departments for driving through town sharing their sirens in celebration of our country's 200 birthday. So thank you again to everyone for everything you did as part of the celebration.

12:03 Alright. Report from the town attorney. I

Speaker 8

12:07 just wanted to let you all know what you may have already heard, but the retail marijuana bill that sort of, I guess, slipped in as part of the budget reconciliation process. And we are looking at the the final language. We're still waiting on some information from the state as to how this is actually going to be administered. But the the sort of two big takeaways is that localities can't just ban them. You can't just say no, thank you, but you can't tax them.

12:43 So I'll be coming to you with probably a memo first just to just to explain what your options are and what you need to do. You can't regulate them through zoning. You know, you can have certain parameters as as to where you might want them to be, what what zones you might think they fit in best. More to come, but I did want to let you all know that something for not only you all, but, you know, Lancaster will be dealing with it at all. Yeah. Everybody in Virginia.

13:16 So just wanna let you know, and we'll keep you posted. So

Speaker 5

13:22 you are saying we can do a local tax? Yes.

13:28 Very high local tax.

13:32 I

Speaker 8

13:35 will get more information. Okay. We're working on it because, you know, we're kind of just trying to get a global sense. Like I said, there's some things that we're waiting to see from the state how they, you know, they kind of have a, like, an ABC board that will be for cannabis to see what some of those regulations look like. So, stay tuned.

possibly Julie Harris

13:58 Thank you. Alright, report from the town administrator, mister Nelson is out of town. Report from the Planning Commission, mister Chapman. Are you here for a report? No. Sorry. Okay. They didn't meet. They didn't meet this month. No, they didn't meet but I didn't know if they had anything they wanted to share.

Speaker 4

14:20 Alright. Moving on then to committee reports, budget and finance. Miss Bradley? Sure. Budget and finance did not meet in July as our next major task is to consider the modifications suggested by George Cooper to the financial policy. We will discuss comments George shared with the town clerk at the August budget and finance meeting, which is at 02:00 on the first Tuesday of August at the town office. We are working on preparing the final budget file, which will include the final numbers from the fiscal year twenty twenty five, twenty twenty six.

14:56 It will be coming soon to a town of Irvington website near you. And we have a number of financial resolutions that will appear later in the agenda. The new budget does have funding for all that are proposed. The resolution twenty twenty six eighteen is in response to suggestions by our bankers at Chesapeake Bank, the town treasurer and George Cooper. This is the one about moving funds automatically. Given some of the comments late in the process for adopting the budget, for example, about plans for big expenses, renewed concerns about the town real estate tax.

15:31 We'll be reassessing our timeline for the budget preparation and information request. We hope to work with the Town Council members, Town staff, and residents to address concerns with time to allow for consideration and modifications. And relatedly, we want to remind everybody that the town has a budget, not a particular committee. We get a little sloppy in our language sometimes. Request by committees for funding for projects may appear in a particular line item in the operating budget or as a line item in the capital budget.

16:01 We provide notes in the budget to help people understand what's included in a line item. Spending from the operating budget does not require additional action by Town Council spending from any lines in tourism and community support or the capital budget does require an additional resolution to appropriate those funds. So just to remind everybody at the beginning of a fiscal year, these are the conditions we work under. May

Speaker 5

16:25 I add something? Yes. There was a comment made that the town might and I'm I'm quoting from the Rappahannock record that the town is squirreling money away from for for projects which don't no one knows about. There is a list out there that is well publicized. It's called the capital budget. That is what it is for is to publicize the projects, and we have to do this for five years out. And so saying that no one knows about projects that we're saving for, this is something that is originated in the Planning Commission that is that is then sent to the Town Council and we vote on it and we talk about it.

17:14 So to say that things are being squirreled away for projects that don't no one knows about. This is a very, very public document that is well vetted, well discussed. And that's what it is there for so the public can know what we're putting money aside for. Thank you.

17:36 Any

Speaker 4

17:36 other comments in regard to budget and finance? Oh, the only other thing is budget and finance does welcome the public to our committee meetings and we do allow them to participate in the meeting. So, we welcome anybody with questions. Thank you.

possibly Julie Harris

17:53 Alright, codes and charter report, mister Nunnally? No report. Facilities, miss Van Saun. Okay.

Speaker 6

18:03 The facilities committee met on Monday, June 15 at 3PM at the town office.

18:10 And I will give you a quick summary of everything we talked about to the best of my ability. The town did not receive the ready set go grant. The committee is considering a smaller sidewalk project that would address the most dangerous section of the road on King Carter Drive around the aqua curve. The project is looking at the Aqua side for the sidewalk. This smaller project negates the need for a neighbor survey because Aqua is the main property owner.

18:39 The next step is to contact Aqua and ask if they will be okay with this project. They are. Which we've heard back from them since then. And as Phil said, they are fine with it. If the project goes forward, the town will have to get permission from any other owners of properties which will be affected by the project. After hearing from Aqua, which we have heard from, the committee will move forward asking for bids from engineering companies and gathering information about the feasibility of the project.

19:14 Then the committee will decide if they want to make a proposal to Town Council concerning this project or not. As with any large project, there will be multiple opportunities for residents to engage in the process. The Irvington Sidewalk Survey 2026, Phil and Justin did an excellent job on surveying all sidewalks in Irvington and identifying safety hazards. This report was sent to the sidewalk guy. This is coming from Justin. Justin knows who sidewalk guy is.

19:46 Only know him as sidewalk guy. But

Speaker 5

19:49 it was sent to David,

Speaker 6

19:50 but it was some contractor that it's a contractor who works on sidewalks.

possibly Julie Harris

19:55 Thank you. So,

Speaker 6

19:57 we're waiting to hear back from sidewalk guy for his recommendations to address these safety hazards. The issue of open utility doors, which you may have noticed in the sidewalk in front of the o office bistro was discussed and Phil reached out to VDOT who shared that the utility doors belong to Verizon and Verizon fixed problem. We briefly discussed the property which is in the process of being purchased. There will be more discussions around possibly rezoning the property, adjusting boundary lines, that kind of thing in a future meeting.

20:48 Discussions around a solution for the commons and road drainage are ongoing. Are looking at it from multiple angles, some which are not feasible any longer and once we kind of settle on what we think is a good way forward again, will present a proposal to the Town Council. We discussed an annual maintenance schedule for the tennis and pickleball courts. The our next meeting is scheduled for Thursday, August 20 at 3PM.

21:24 That's it.

21:28 Thank

possibly Julie Harris

21:28 you. Excuse me. Public safety and events. And I would just say, I'm sure you're going to speak about the possibility of the flashing light, but to save that for For the late. It

Speaker 3

21:43 already. Okay. So just to echo what mayor Harris said, we're all very disappointed. We had to cancel. It made the difficult decision to cancel this year's fourth of July parade, but we felt it was best with the extreme heat. We do know how much this event means to the community. And so looking ahead, the committee will begin exploring whether a possible fall parade or a community event potentially centered around the heritage theme could be possible.

22:10 Nothing has been decided at this point or committed to at this time, but we just want to explore an opportunity to bring the community together for another celebration this fall. We did meet on June 18. Now I discussed fourth of July parade and also the VDOT recommendations memo reviewing that again regarding the intersection warning signs. As we have known, VDOT did not recommend additional intersect control measures such as stop sign, always stop, or traffic signal.

22:44 The recommended sign changes they propose have already been put in place. We also did discuss, which will be discussed further on the new business, is the remaining concern about speeding along King Carter Drive itself and possible feedback signs. Our next meeting will be also on Thursday, August 20 at 05:30. Busy date. They

23:15 weren't approved till July 11. We could have a signing parade. Oh, yeah. There it is. Yeah. Okay.

23:27 Okay.

possibly Julie Harris

23:28 Town operations, miss

Speaker 3

23:30 Westbrook? I have no report but of any of you know something that should come to our attention. Please

possibly Julie Harris

23:37 let us know. But we can also say that the new decorations and so forth are here and stored.

Speaker 9

23:47 They are and the old ones are are also being disposed of. And

Speaker 3

23:53 I think the new flags look nice and crisp. Their colors, there's I the whole know. I thought, yes, I like those a lot.

Speaker 4

24:01 Fran, we discussed back in April or May, the need for you all or the request from budget and finance for you all to look at the recommendations from Mill Creek Geek about technology stuff for the town office. And you all were having trouble getting a meeting scheduled. So we did put money in the budget for most of those activities but it would be great if we could figure out what we're actually going to do and get moving on those. Okay.

Speaker 3

24:36 I thank you. You're welcome.

24:40 Okay.

possibly Julie Harris

24:41 Under old business resolution twenty twenty six thirteen, approving and appropriating funds for the Steamboat era museums Irvington crab festival. Any discussion? Can

Speaker 4

24:56 I just clarify that I need to recuse myself because I am the chair of the crab festival? So I will be recusing myself from voting on this resolution. Well, and as part of this resolution, we

possibly Julie Harris

25:08 thank you. Yes. And as part of this part of this resolution, we also need to determine a monetary amount.

Speaker 4

25:16 Correct. And we had, the museum is hoping that the town will do what it did last year, which is $2,500 as the mallet sponsor. And in that case, the mallets will have the IVR on them as they did last year.

possibly Julie Harris

25:38 So is there any discussion about proceeding with this plan? I

Speaker 3

25:44 make a motion that we spend the $2,500 for the Steamboat Arrow Museum's craft festival. Second. All

possibly Julie Harris

25:54 right. And as this is a resolution, we will do a roll call vote. Bradley, you are accusing Cline? Yes. Nunnally? Yes. Robinson? Yes. Van Saun? Yes. Westbrook? Yes. Okay. Next, under new business, motions or recommendations by Town Council.

Speaker 4

26:16 So I would like to make a recommendation that the town put in writing to the a j a g j a and Indian Creek that we intend to, and I'm going to up it, that we intend to be a gold sponsor for $2,500 Second. With the resolution to come in August.

possibly Julie Harris

26:53 Ms. Bradley, that's your motion and Mr. Nunnally's second.

Speaker 5

26:56 Now it's time for discussion. So I abstained from this last year. I support this thing, everything. I just don't see the use of town funds for this, supporting a golf tournament. I know it's got a wonderful impact, but I just don't see and I know other jurisdictions, Lancaster put 2,500 in, I believe, out of their tourists. I support everything y'all are doing, but, just for the use of town funds for this I have a problem with it. And so I'm just letting everyone know why I'm saying and it, you know, I'm not going to impress that on anyone else.

27:45 So But it was profitable to town businesses. It was profitable to town That's that is correct. I just don't think it is supported tourism. That

Speaker 3

27:53 too.

27:58 Caller

Speaker 2

27:58 question. So

possibly Julie Harris

28:00 the the motion is to Write a letter. Write a letter for 2500.

28:12 The resolution to be made in August. Right. So we really can't vote until August. Correct? That's right. Right. And I did we

Speaker 3

28:20 can say You can vote now to agree that

Speaker 9

28:24 you are requesting that I write a resolution that you do.

Speaker 5

28:29 That they made. And the motion she made is fine. Yeah. That

Speaker 4

28:36 we send a letter indicating Our

Speaker 5

28:39 intent. Our intent. Right. Okay.

possibly Julie Harris

28:42 So all those in favor? Aye. Opposed?

Speaker 5

28:47 I say no.

possibly Julie Harris

28:54 Alright. Moving on to, resolution twenty twenty six sixteen, appropriating funds for the police car. And I would just like to interject that as you see in this resolution, the current car needs a new transmission, and it also needs air conditioning, so that both of those repairs would probably exceed a thousand dollars. The county has two cars that they are replacing. One car was sold to Whitestone, and now the county is offering the other car to be purchased by Irvington.

29:38 Any comments?

Speaker 3

29:40 I guess my question would be what are we doing with the old car? That

possibly Julie Harris

29:45 comes up Oh, it is not.

Speaker 3

29:48 And then any comments as far as I don't know if it would be in the next section. I would just there's additional sub of $400 for titling, etcetera. Right. That's to make sure that it's ours. Correct. And I guess this could have been made in recommendations. I just want to and I can discuss at the committee meeting recommend we tint the police car. Oh, so you can't tell if somebody's in there? And so then we can stage it more and no one can tell.

30:14 So it it is dark, but it needs to be darker. And we can get the little blow up person. Right. And then you can drive around and rotate it. That's just my recommendation. Okay.

possibly Julie Harris

30:25 But as I said, repairs probably match or exceed the cost of the purchase.

Speaker 2

30:35 Whether the public exception committee gets the old one to drive around. Oh, Wherever.

possibly Julie Harris

30:46 It's

Speaker 3

30:47 a free vehicle. There you go. We go.

possibly Julie Harris

30:50 We want to have to plan one. But you don't have air conditioning. No air conditioning. Alright. So, any other comments?

31:01 Is there a motion to approve the resolution?

Speaker 5

31:04 So move. Second. Okay. Alright.

possibly Julie Harris

31:09 Roll call, Bradley? Yes. Cline? Yes. Nunnally? Yes. Robinson? Yes. Van Saun? Yes.

Speaker 3

31:20 Westbrook? Yeah.

possibly Julie Harris

31:21 I I wrote I was looking. I wrote Robinson twice. Sorry. Westbrook. Okay. Next is, resolution twenty twenty six eighteen No. 17. Sorry. Kid count. Declaring the old police car surplus and authorizing its disposal. The county has a plan, I guess you could say, in how that disposal happens, and they will work with Justin to get rid of it. So moved.

Speaker 5

32:01 Second.

possibly Julie Harris

32:02 Okay. Roll call by vote. Bradley? Yes. Cline? Yes. Nunnally? Yes. Robinson? Yes. Ensign? Yes. Westbrook? Yes.

32:17 Alright. Next is resolution twenty twenty six eighteen quarterly cash management and investment review. Any

Speaker 4

32:25 con comments? As I noted in the committee report, this is being brought forward at the suggestion of the bankers at Chesapeake as well as the town treasurer and the budget and finance committee discussed it back in May and was open to it.

Speaker 2

32:41 Move we approve it.

Speaker 4

32:45 Second.

32:48 Okay.

possibly Julie Harris

32:49 Roll call by the vote. Bradley? Yes. Cline? Yes. Nunnally? Yes.

Speaker 2

32:55 Robinson?

possibly Julie Harris

32:56 Yes. Van Saun? Yes. Westbrook? Yes. Resolution twenty twenty six nineteen, renewal of Atlantic Union Bank CDs. Any comments? This

Speaker 4

33:10 is just rolling them over as we have with the exception of taking out $2,500 from the one that's the library fund in order to reimburse the operating budget for the payment that we made to the Lancaster Community Library in 2020 This 05/2020

possibly Julie Harris

33:29 doesn't sync them into a same time rollover? No.

Speaker 4

33:35 So basically, at Atlantic, we have a three month and two years. Is that right? Two one years. And so the funds are staying at the I mean, the accounts are staying at the current time frames that they have. So one will come up sooner than the other one. Yes. Okay. So Mr. Nunnally made a motion. Is there a second? Second. Alright.

possibly Julie Harris

33:58 Roll call by vote. Bradley? Yes. Cline? Yes. Nunnally? Yes. Robinson? Yes. Van Saun? Yes. Westbrook? Yes. Alright. Next is a discussion about the recommendation from the Public Safety and Defense Committee regarding the potential installation of speed feedback signs. Any comments? Go

Speaker 4

34:23 ahead and make a comment unless anyone has questions. I would just say that the budget can support something like this. We have been talking about traffic calming measures for well, let me back up. Traffic calming measures have been an item in the budget for at least three years at this point, given that this is our third year of that. And so I would love to see the town actually spend the money that we have been trying to set aside to spend on this for a number of years now.

Speaker 2

35:02 What I'm thinking about on this topic, the traveling I've been doing lately, I've seen it a lot. Just about everywhere. I don't know if it's slowing anybody down. I

Speaker 4

35:14 mean, it slows me down. But what I'm wondering

Speaker 2

35:17 if, you know, you've got this new law that you can take a picture of the car. The license plate. The license plate. They could be fined from the license plate. Is there any way we could put such a camera on such a device and then it becomes really effective?

35:40 Just a thought in discussing this.

Speaker 3

35:43 Absolutely. I mean, it's been somewhat explored. I think there's questions of if it is, I think, deemed lawful in certain areas and I think down the road. We can ask the attorney. Aren't

Speaker 5

35:54 traffic cameras only lawful in certain construction zones and school zones? I think so. Have

Speaker 8

36:03 to double check for town. But, yeah, there's an ordinance that you would have to pass. But, like, you want to take the pictures. Is that what we're talking about? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. We have to pass an ordinance. I'd have to double check that it would be appropriate, you know, somewhere in the town. But, yeah, you have to pass an ordinance, then there's, you know, a lot of time, first, you know, flock and cameras, which is up speeding, but but I don't think y'all are talking about that.

36:29 Y'all are just talking to slow traffic. Yes. But I thought Virginia had laws saying it could only be in school

Speaker 5

36:37 zones and in trap and in construction zones.

Speaker 8

36:41 You all would have to pass the ordinance to even get them there. So

Speaker 5

36:46 But wait, they would have to be under one of those two categories. Correct? Well, they have them in Kilmarnock. Yeah. I can double check. Have cameras, but not they have cameras, but they don't have ticket cameras. If

Speaker 2

36:59 we could do that, thought we could have it. There was a case that says it's constitutional but the municipalities have used that. So I know I know the cameras constitutional about whether it's limited or not. I don't know. I'll have to check that myself. Can

Speaker 5

37:20 we ask the attorney to

Speaker 3

37:21 check that? Yes, please.

Speaker 6

37:23 Okay. All you all are interested in a speed camera, brother would take the picture and then send it to you.

possibly Julie Harris

37:29 Right. Some some, some enforcement, like, rather than just driving by a flashing sign that says you're going however miles an hour. If you're going over the designated speed limit, can a picture be taken and some enforcement result? Yeah.

Speaker 8

37:52 Yeah. Other localities have been approached by companies. They act because the company actually handles all of the the ticketing. So it's civil because you technically don't know if I'm driving my car, I can't get who is driving. So usually when localities have these, they've contracted with a private company that sets them out, I can definitely look into it and give you all some guidance on what what is allowed and then you all can make your decision if that's something you're interested in.

38:23 Has that happened in Virginia?

Speaker 5

38:27 Yes. Okay. Virginia. I

Speaker 3

38:28 think the only concern would be the enforcement if we take it. Sit sit. Yeah. Guess then just to find out the enforcement because if we're sending out these tickets and it's so important, then it comes back to, you know, who makes the final decision. Is it on Lancaster? If it's our municipality, we have have to have some way of enforcing it, arguing it, and we don't have that.

Speaker 6

38:50 And we're not going to get the money for it either. That's right. Well,

possibly Julie Harris

38:54 the money for it is probably a part of, but the the enforcement is what we're trying to do. So if if you could let us know what guidelines, what restrictions, what whatever the wording is, but to if we put up such a sign, with flashing lights, what recourse, what repercussions do we have to enforce someone who ignores them? And

Speaker 4

39:30 to be clear, we're not we are talking about putting this on King Carter. Right? Correct. It would not be in a construction zone. It would not be in a school zone. Correct. So if if that is what the requirement is, then it's the discussion is dead in the water. It's based on the survey

Speaker 6

39:46 by.

Speaker 5

39:46 Let's take

Speaker 3

39:47 this I think it's the camera aspect. The camera aspect is just complicated. Yes. That's what I'm scaling back. Let's scale it. Let's let's get it back real quick. The public and safety and events committee is just wanting to push forward with having the recommendation and research on the signs, speed signs Speed signs. And what your current speed is and a light. If there are steps in a yes. And if they are effective. Correct.

Speaker 5

40:11 Correct. That's one of the reasons this is good because this is a reversible thing. If not effective, we can pull it out. Things such as speed bumps and other things that have to be more construction to do and stuff I know. Other I know. This is something we can let it go for a year or two years, and we go, do we see a change? We could do a traffic study or not or whatever. And if it works, fine. We keep it in. If not, we pull it out because we don't have to pay to maintain it.

40:37 It's a very reversible and a small iterative thing, but it is It's taking action. Taking action. Do we look for volunteers

Speaker 3

40:44 to have that sign in their backyard? That's where so we're not even at the point. Our recommendation is to have the town administrator go back and research locations, have the document locations with the install, with the cost, what those steps are so that we can then make an assessment. So this is not even getting to that point of volunteer. We're

Speaker 5

41:06 just trying to get to the point of having all the details to be able to say this is a go. And the sign would not be in volunteer's yard. It would be in the VDOT right of way. Right. But it's still gonna be in front of somebody. That that's VDOT's decision. With VDOT, does some person doesn't say, you can't put a stop sign in front of my yard? No. Yeah. No. It's totally VDOT's decision. And, typically, not always,

Speaker 3

41:27 where you have your speed limit sign posted, then this is posted on the pole Yeah. Directly underneath that. Yeah. So, I mean, I was one each lunches and stuff this afternoon.

possibly Julie Harris

41:39 Yeah. And and some are and some are just freestanding with the solar power. Yeah.

Speaker 3

41:45 Well, that's a whole different animal. So, can I I want

Speaker 4

41:48 to back us up, Mary? Yeah. So, I think public safety and events committee is recommending that the town of. Motion ready. Well, hold on. Because I'll take your motion in just a minute, but I wanna make sure I understand before I get your motion. That the town administrator be directed to get very specific information about how we could implement this on King Carter Drive, not going to the point of identifying locations, but understanding the process, the procedure, the cost.

42:29 Okay. Thank you. We're coming up with an implementation plan. We're coming up with an so that we can then have an implementation plan that is then brought forward with a dollar attached to it. And I would also like to suggest

possibly Julie Harris

42:41 that the town administrator find out the effectiveness of what what research is out there of the effectiveness. Actually, there's quite a lot because I was on there this afternoon and about an hour and a half time, I

Speaker 3

42:56 was, pretty surprised at the statistics I was seeing. We were granted a different table. Okay.

Speaker 4

43:02 Provided that in the Planning

Speaker 3

43:03 Commission provided that. About the effectability. And VDOT can do that as opposed to the they they have the resources to do that. So let's let's restate what we want Kelly to do. There's no Kelly, we already have. So I have a motion that I move the Town Council direct the town administrator to develop the information needed for council to further consider the installation of speed feedback signs, including potential locations, specific requirements, estimated costs in the installation process and present those findings to Town Council at the August meeting.

Speaker 5

43:38 Second. Can you can we I I'd say con potential contractors as well. Okay. Perfect. And

Speaker 4

43:46 I would strike the location one. I

possibly Julie Harris

43:50 and I would also like to suggest that the town administrator is not back until July 20. So maybe we want to be a September. September. He he knew about this at the meeting. Well, he did, but that only gives him And I emailed him. Are you all comfortable with that? I am.

Speaker 3

44:11 And if he needs more, if he says he needs more and there's specifics, we are happy to help drive it or reach out to whomever. Just to if even get he gets enough to say, hey, this is a major roadblock and we can know that it can't go forward, any information is better than that. All the questions? Okay, so the revision with those revisions, I move that the Town Council direct the town administrator to develop the information needed for council to further consider the installation speed feedback signs, specific requirements, estimated cost, installation process, potential contractors, and present those findings to Town Council in the August meeting.

44:52 Second. All

possibly Julie Harris

44:54 those in favor? Aye. Aye. Oh, oh, wait a minute. We can't vote on this. It's not a resolution. It's not a resolution. A

Speaker 3

45:04 motion to Yes. Take Okay. Basically a motion for the committee to continue the work. Okay. Well, I'm still trying to follow the July 1 rule.

possibly Julie Harris

45:15 Okay. Alright. Good. Alright. So, motion by Cline, second by Nunnally. All in favor? Okay. Alright. Then, we next is resolution twenty twenty six twenty, reappointment of Ruth Fuller to the Planning Commission. Everyone received her letter. Any comments?

Speaker 6

45:40 I move we reappoint Ruth Fuller to the Planning Commission. Second.

Speaker 4

45:49 I do, and this is not specifically to Ruth, to be very clear and transparent on that. I do want to make sure that town staff is putting in writing the attendance requirements for people attend appointed to Planning Commission to ensure that they understand they will be removed from Planning Commission if they fail to meet the requirements. And the state information

possibly Julie Harris

46:16 will be going out in the letter, correct? Yeah. So, I've

Speaker 9

46:20 added it to the onboarding letter that I send. I will send everyone. Thank you. Alright.

possibly Julie Harris

46:27 So, this is a resolution. So, roll call by vote. Bradley? Yes. Cline? Yes. Nunnally? Yes. Robinson? Yes. Van Saun? Yes. Westbrook? Yes. Move

Speaker 8

46:40 adjourned. Wait a minute.

46:44 Announcements,

possibly Julie Harris

46:45 the next Town Council Regular Call Meeting will be August thirteenth twenty twenty six, six thirty at Irvington Baptist Church. Is there a motion to adjourn? Move to adjourn. Second. Second. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Meeting is adjourned. Good meeting everybody.

47:08 Bye.

Speaker 8

47:09 Bye, Kelly. Thank you.